This week, Sara and Rosalinda discover the hidden commandment forbidding porn. They also talk about Heather's divorce and for once agree with Jen. Unsurprisingly, they talk about Meredith's inability to work a blender and they unpack Brooks's unshakeable grip over his mother's social life. Moreover, they dive into Jen Shah's main character complex and why the world revolves around Jen. (Is this a direct attack on Jen Shah...who knows?). To keep it going, they talk about Mary's church and the rumors circulating her marriage along with Heather's weird baby shower. Finally, they round out the conversation to talk about whether any of these women can follow a theme or at least leave a room without fighting...
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This week, Sara and Rosalinda discover the hidden commandment forbidding porn. They also talk about Heather's divorce and for once agree with Jen. Unsurprisingly, they talk about Meredith's inability to work a blender and they unpack Brooks's unshakeable grip over his mother's social life. Moreover, they dive into Jen Shah's main character complex and why the world revolves around Jen. (Is this a direct attack on Jen Shah...who knows?). To keep it going, they talk about Mary's church and the rumors circulating her marriage along with Heather's weird baby shower. Finally, they round out the conversation to talk about whether any of these women can follow a theme or at least leave a room without fighting...
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Hey guys, welcome back to Met Gala luncheon. I'm your host, Sara Van Tuerenhout and I'm joined by
Rosalinda Mendez:Rosalinda!
Sara Van Tuerenhout:And this is a podcast where we dive into our favorite reality TV shows, and just see the craziness that ensues. This week, we're looking at Episode Three of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City,"Everybody needs a Switzerland." Now that title just kind of ironic, because as we talked about last episode, being the Switzerland friend never ends well.
Rosalinda Mendez:Nope. It's a...it's basically just begging for conflict against you, as opposed to the two people you're trying to be Switzerland against.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:No, Exactly.
Rosalinda Mendez:It gives them a common enemy.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Right? They can both gang up like, "why don't you have an opinion on this?"
Rosalinda Mendez:Exactly.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:So I mean, just from that title alone, we know we have an exciting episode.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, let's get to it.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Alright. So we actually start off this episode with a kind of light note. It was kind of weird, honestly. Lisa was taking her son out for like food, but like she was talking to him saying that he needs to know the 10 commandments.
Rosalinda Mendez:So I guess at LDS school, Bible school or whatever it was, it was, it was a thing.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, and she was like, oh, like, list off two commandments, and he was like, thou shalt not do something bad, and then she's like, "Oh, well, what's something bad?" And the first thing he said was, "look at porn; looking at porn."
Rosalinda Mendez:I'm like, I don't know what her children are doing. Cuz like, literally, I get that, like, kids grow up really fast, but you're seven.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, literally seven years old,
Rosalinda Mendez:Seven year olds should not be like thinking or knowing about what looking at porn means.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. Like, why was that his first response? And smoking.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, yeah smoking. *laughs*. So, I don't know. I mean, behind the scenes is Lisa's husband just a guy who smokes in secret and watches porn?
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I think probably, honestly.
Rosalinda Mendez:Maybe that's why they should get a divorce.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Oh, no, no, no, that's no. They're not the ones.
Rosalinda Mendez:Oh good Lord, I did it again, darn it. I hate that. Yes, you're right. You are correct. I will get it right by episode six.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Maybe.
Rosalinda Mendez:Maybe, sorry. You are correct.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yes.
Rosalinda Mendez:This is gonna be the funny thing about our podcast is I can't keep Meredith and Lisa apart.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I know. Anyone want to start taking bets as to when my mom will get it correct? Uh, I don't know. Maybe by the reunion, but that's questionable.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, no. They are...they...they're definitely an interesting set, and my...the funny thing to me is, you know, she is kind of very preachy, and you know, kind of like trying to get them all together, you know? I mean, does...is he the one that needs to hustle more or is he the one that needs more grit?
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:Like, literally, you know, he's got to stop you know, he needs to hustle more not...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Look at porn.
Rosalinda Mendez:...Thinking about porn as a seven year old.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I know. They grow up so fast these days.
Rosalinda Mendez:So fast these days. Anyway..
Sara Van Tuerenhout:But they're also kind of living my childhood dream. I'm pretty sure it was this episode. But they like, Lisa was saying how she's not the typical stay at home housewife making food, and then you see this montage of them going to like six plus different fast food restaurants, which is really just like, what all I ever wanted as a child was to just go like, oh, I'll have fries from Wendy's, and then, you know, get chicken nuggets from McDonald's and then get a milkshake from wherever, you know, like, that's the life.
Rosalinda Mendez:Uh yeah, I guess it is the life for someone. But yeah, no, it is it is kind of funny. I mean, I kind of felt like yeah, that that was that was that was living the life of excess for them. Like...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Oh, yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:This is where...you've made it when you can go to six different fast food chains for your meal.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I know, in a Porsche too. I just...there was a lot to unpack,
Rosalinda Mendez:Such is the life of a Salt Lake City housewife. Yeah.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:And then like we kind of transition to a little more serious of a conversation with Heather where she's planning a baby shower for five of her employees who just happen to be pregnant at the same time. I mean, what are the odds?
Rosalinda Mendez:They're Mormons.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Well, yeah, maybe it's like a calendar like a, you know, a Google calendar invite. Like everyone's got to conceive on this date or like...
Rosalinda Mendez:Maybe.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:But anyways, she's preparing for the baby shower, and she's with her assistant and Jen, and she we kind of get to know Heather some more. I mean, we already know her as like this very real, down to earth person, but now we get to like find out more about her divorce.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, and it's really interesting because I think I alluded to this earlier. When you know you're talking when at different times when she's talked, and it's very clear that she's very self conscious about the divorce itself, and I think we're going to learn more, and more, how, partly how Mormonism, and how her upbringing kind of put her in a situation where she just wasn't...She felt like she had to get married, and then she realized, oops, maybe this wasn't for her, but she stayed in the marriage and had kids and did all the things you're supposed to do, but was incredibly unhappy, and so I mean, it didn't sound like it was a love marriage.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:No, I mean, she even like outwardly admitted that she had never been in love before. Which, honestly, like, you know, when you get...you're married to someone, you have three kids, that's like really sad that she's like, "Yeah, I was never in love."
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah. That's the interesting thing to me, you know, you have Mary who married her step grandpa.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:And you know...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Although, I don't know if that was for love.
Rosalinda Mendez:No, it wasn't for love, but she kind of at some point, you know, is like, well, it worked out.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I guess ya...
Rosalinda Mendez:Kinda thing. And they're still married so...and they had a child. So, but it just it seems a little it's a very, it's very melancholy, and I kind of feel like she wants to, not as the fallen Mormon, because, you know, we know that she's still somewhat attending church, even though she's not...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:*interjects* Yeah, I think she's like...
Rosalinda Mendez:...in the fold.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, she's not in the fold. But I think she still wants to have a connection with the church.
Rosalinda Mendez:It's very, I think it's very important to her. I just think that it's like one of these... it's almost like the Amish like, you know, they're rejecting her. Like, she's not necessarily reject them.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. It's a one sided relationship right now.
Rosalinda Mendez:And at the moment, we don't know who initiated this divorce. I mean, she definitely sounds like, she was like, she had some kind of revelation that this probably wasn't the happiest thing for her. But it's not clear, again, who initiated the divorce. But she is sad about it. She's sad about it.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I think, actually, I think the husband initiated the divorce because, like, there's a line in there, and actually, I'm pretty sure she stated it, but this line alone kind of alludes to that is that she was like, "Oh, it's better to be, you know, a sad wife than to be divorced." So she'd rather be unhappy than divorce so like, clearly her happiness was not like the catalyst for them getting like separated.
Rosalinda Mendez:Right, and the other thing is, though, which is interesting, is that now that she is divorced, she almost wants to be a little evangelist as to don't like fall into the trap, like try to actually...I mean, because when they're doing this baby shower, she's just kind of like, I gotta let them know that you know, it's not gonna all be sunshine and roses and rainbows and unicorns.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:She has a very pessimistic outlook on marriage.
Rosalinda Mendez:I know. She's like, you guys all got married way too soon, which is probably true.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, they all look like my age, which I'm 21, so just a little scary.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, but that's...that's the thing in the LDS church, I mean, literally, you get you get married young, so you can start having kids right away and get them ready to be good little, you know...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:*interjects* Pop 'em out?
Rosalinda Mendez:...conversionist for, you know, Brigham Young.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, although, I will say, you know, as much as we've kind of slandered Jen, but not really, you know, we've shown our dislike of Jen, per se. I kind of agreed with what she was telling Heather on this in this conversation, and that, like, Heather is setting up a good foundation and example for her daughter's showing, like, if you're unhappy, you don't have to settle, and that that's okay, and I mean, even if Heather hasn't really internalized that lesson for herself, I think the fact that she's like getting up every day. still being a good mom, showing her that like you can still live outside of the church, and outside of marriage and be happy that she's showing her her her young daughters that, you know, they don't have to settle.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, no, I think she's being a good role model. And I think she's really trying to also be a good role model for her employees because even though it's kind of, you know, just over the top, silly baby shower, I think she really wants to make sure that those employees come back and stay employees so they have something that's actually theirs even though they may, they may all leave to just be wives, but they have to know that there's more to their...They need to know their worth.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:From there, after that actually pretty nice heart to heart, we kind of moved to a more comical scene of Meredith getting ready for Jen to come over and she's making Margarita with VIDA tequila not*laughs* definitely not placed in a way where you see the brand at all.....
Rosalinda Mendez:She's no Bethenny Frankel.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:No, yeah, the product placement was a little too, on the nose there. But she's making this like Margarita or frozen Margarita, and she forgot to put on the lid and it just went everywhere. I mean, clearly this woman has never used a blender in her life.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, and I know that she's I guess that I guess in the first episode, I think she does say that she doesn't drink. But I'm not sure that's true.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:No, no, no, Lisa doesn't drink.
Rosalinda Mendez:Again... dadgummit.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Meredith drinks. Take two. We have to do a counter on how many times my mom mistakes Lisa...Lisa and Meredith
Rosalinda Mendez:Ok, ok, again, I mean...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Cuz Meredith is Jewish. There's nothing wrong with Jewish people having a little drink.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, yeah, but my thing is, is like I just don't understand. Yeah, why you would just forget the blender.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, and then when she went to go clean it, Brooks was like, do we have a mop? And she was like, I guess I have no clue where it is. Like, she doesn't know where anything in her hous is, much less cleaning supplies, how to Cook. Wha- I mean, not even cook use blender. I just Yeah...She's, you know, really the 21st-century housewife.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, but that just kind of actually gets us right into Brooks where, again, we're starting to see Brooks where at first you're like, oh okay, that's a sweet boy who's you know, taking some time off to be with his mother in her time of need.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:But then he's just like, "I need to steal the scene."
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, kind of because like we have, Jen comes into the scene, and she was talking about high kicks, and that how her and *his* mom were going to do high kicks for some thing. But like, she Brooks and his sister, which I can now not remember her name. Like, oh, like, What? What are high kicks? What does that mean? And Jen was like, oh, I can't show you, because I like I'll flash you. And they're like no, no, no, like, show us and then she does, and then Brooke has the audacity for like, oh my gosh, like I have seen parts of that woman that I should never have seen. Although, like from our angle, it doesn't really look like she was showing anything. But I mean, I guess maybe he did see something you shouldn't have seen, but like, he kind of started it, and then he was like, oh my god, this is so unbecoming. This is horrible. Why would you act this way?
Rosalinda Mendez:Again, he was having this like over the top housewives reaction to this.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I know. It reminded me if any of y'all are on TikTok of *Boman*. He does like dramatic housewives reactions, but it had that sharp cut like *shiiing sound* with like a knife grading, and he was like, oh my god, like I can't believe what I'm seeing. It just...it was just over the top.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, I mean, he was like it was basically he's trying to be a little scene stealer. Which...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:....Sorry, Brooks. I mean, or people who love Brooks. I mean...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I mean, I still like Brooks.
Rosalinda Mendez:He's a good enough kid. I'm just saying, I think...I think he...I think he's kind of overplaying for the camera.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. He just needs to be himself. I think he's funny.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, I think so too.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:But he just doesn't he he's doing too much.
Rosalinda Mendez:Mhmm.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:But. Although, I mean, I will say Jen kind of did cross the line when they I guess Brooks and his sister *were* feeling uncomfortable. Because she was like, "even though you came out of your mom's vagina, like, I'm still your mother, too." And it was just like, okay, that's just kind of weird.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, that's, I mean, as you would know, I think if any of my friends had said that to you, you'd be like, okay, there's a problem with that person....
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I would be like "I'm gonna go home now."
Rosalinda Mendez:...You're a little bit odd. And the other thing with Brooks is too, is that he's, he's kind of too involved in his mom's social life.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:He definitely is. Because you see, like, the next day, he's like,"Well, that was kind of crazy how Jen acted in your own home," and then Meredith kind of brings up how oh, Jen wants to have a sleep over, after Whitney's 20th inspired the 20s inspired party, she wanted have to sleep over, and Brooks was like, "well, that's definitely not gonna happen," znd it's just like, Who are you?
Rosalinda Mendez:Like,if your mom wants to have a friend over, she can have a friend over?
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, and then he was like, "oh, well, you know, Meredith, like, will never have time to have a sleep over because she's a CEO," and my thing, it's like, she's going to all these parties and things. I think she has time for a sleep over.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, and the other thing too, is I just kind of feel like, he just like made it sound like he was dictating to his mother. Like, that's not gonna happen. And that's like... It's not his house. Like, I don't I don't
Sara Van Tuerenhout:It's not his house. want my kid telling me that's not gonna happen. And then he uses like, a little emotional manipulation, by saying, "well, you know, my sister and I want to spend time with you," which fine, that's good. But that didn't come first. No, it definitely did not. It was like to push her over the edge.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, it was like to definitely convince her.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:that, you know, that's what she had to do because if not, she'd be depriving her children of, you know, quality time.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. Well, I guess it was gonna be Grace's last night in Salt Lake.
Rosalinda Mendez:It was but I mean, but I think the thing is, is that he could have come up with all these rational arguments like Hey, like, no, it's not like it's definitely not going to happen. He could say mom, you know, it's Grace's last night, we want to spend some time with you, and I think that would have been seen as like, okay, you know, "I didn' think about that," or "I for ot that that was the thing and I ll change my plans," but it's ust like he just started off li e a little dictator, and has l ke moved onto emotio al manipulation to seal the de
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Hey, maybe he learned it from his dad.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, maybe so. Sounds like a pattern.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. Not so good with tact. But like, then though, okay. Ridiculousness aside. She texts Jen saying that, oh, gotta cancel the sleep over. I want to spend time with my kids. And then Jen goes kind of on this, like, tirade, like, "oh, my god, she's betraying me, this is a stab in the back, she hates me, I-, where's the loyalty? Like your nobody actually wants to hang out with their kids. Your kids don't want to spend time with you." Which is just like, slow your roll, slow your roll.
Rosalinda Mendez:Maybe your kids don't want to spend time with you.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, you and all of your eight assistants.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, they don't want to tell you about their sexting.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Their sexting *laughs* or getting AIDS...
Rosalinda Mendez:you're [Jen] just awkward... Yeah, you're just awkward when you are around them. So maybe they don't want to spend time with you.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:But you know, okay. Like she has said her piece. She's not saying I'm going out with somebody else, or I am like just choosing to like blow you off. I think spending time with your kids is a legitimate reason that you can like, tell your friend...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:...That and again, her daughter's going away. It's not like I mean, Jen is gonna be there.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, Jen is going to be there the next day...
Rosalinda Mendez:The next day and the next day and the next day...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I just like I just can't get over the fact that everything is a personal dig to Jen. Like, every action is like Jen thinks she's the main character, and everything everyone does is obviously directly linked to how they feel or think about Mary.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, I kind of remember, there was a comedian once that was making fun of women and the fact that they're all so overly dramatic, and they were kind of making fun of that, they were saying once that like, yes, you know, it's like, you go to the grocery store, and the cashier and the bag lady are having a big fight. Like, I'm going to kill you. That's it. It's over. It's like no, not everything is like...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:So dramatic.
Rosalinda Mendez:...So dramatic. Just you know, get over yourself. Jen. Again...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Again, Jen needs. Jen. Jen needs a gentle zen Jen.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, and the things is like...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:If she exists.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, and it's like, it's not a it's not a respect thing, if someone blows off a sleepover with you.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, you can reschedule.
Rosalinda Mendez:Literally, I'm saying sleepover, and we're talking about grown women.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, like 40 year old women. It's like, calm down. It's just, yeah, typical Jen Shah fashion.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah. So we will move from one like serious like, you know, super dramatic thing...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:...To one, Mary Cosby. So we see her first again, talking with her son, Robert, who she had with again, her step grandfather, and she's talking about moving him to a boarding school in LA. Because she, she thinks that he's not learning anything, and he's spending too much time with his girlfriend, which just seems a little overprotective, I think. Yeah. Like, why is she so against this girlfriend?
Rosalinda Mendez:Well, I think she wants him to really concentrate and like actually figure out what he wants to do. Because she kind of feels like he's just coasting, and I mean, okay, what? What teenager who's a junior and has a girlfriend is not going to want to say I want to stay here?
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:I mean, she's just like, don't you want to go there? Like her thing was like, it's not like you're getting the same education you got in New York, and this one is in LA.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:Like that's supposed to be like, oh, I get to leave all my friends and leave my girlfriend, and I'm already a junior, and just because I'm going to LA that's supposed to tempt me to be there.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Although like, that's the whole thing that kind of gets me is that she wants him to concentrate and be you know, focused on school. Is that really good to be sending like, a 17 year old boy alone to LA to do whatever he wants?
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, no, that doesn't sound very responsible at all.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:It's like antithetical to what she's trying to do.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah. And I just love the fact that I mean, speaking of Switzerland, I mean, Robert Sr. is there.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, he has nothing substantive to say to this conversation besides make a smoothie mid conversation which was just really awkward. Like *machine whirring sound* "I can't hear you."
Rosalinda Mendez:I know. So Mary's a little bit of a...she, she kind of has the pants in that family.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Oh, most definitely.
Rosalinda Mendez:I know. I guess it's because it's grandma's money.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:That's true. That's true.
Rosalinda Mendez:So I think he understands from where his bread is buttered.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, although I think it is kind of crazy how she was just like, even if he doesn't know it yet he's moving. Which is just like, I wouldn't appreciate that if you did that.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, no, I just I don't I don't think that was cool. I think that that was just crazy. So...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:But I mean, then we kind of move on to a kind of more level headed version, if you want to say, of Mary with her dinner with Meredith. Where we actually get to know more, a little bit about Meredith mostly about Mary and kind of her situation and how she got into marrying her step grandpa, and just like what married life is like.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, I mean, the interesting thing was, is she very honestly says that she also thinks this was a really weird thing, and she was not necessarily for it, either, but her grandma was like, I want you to have all the things I never had growing up.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Like, my step grandfather that I really wanted... *laughs*
Rosalinda Mendez:No, she was talking about the property, the church, and the money.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Are you sure?
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, I'm pretty sure she did not want her stepgranpa. Literally, I think that you know, and then and then you find out that, you know, that's it's caused a rift in her family, right? She can't she doesn't talk to her mother.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:Because her mother wanted the stepgrandpa.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yes. Well, I think she wanted the money.
Rosalinda Mendez:She wanted the money, but she wanted Robert senior, and so the thought that again, I mean, I think we had this discussion. I'm not sure legally you can will a person to somebody else in your will. I mean he's not really property, but she mentions that it's in the will.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, well, I mean, not to bring some like gossip columnist stuff into here, but I'm gonna do it anyway. Someone said, who apparently close who used to be in the church I think. It was on Reddit. So a really credible source. But it was saying how like, apparently Mary and Robert Sr. were hooking up before they even got married and before grandma passed away.
Rosalinda Mendez:Well, yeah, I'm wondering if that's just like, maybe somebody from the mom faction, who wants to put it out there. Because then we get the story about like, Mary and her like reluctance.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I know, but maybe that's just because like, that's what's expected. Like, who wants to be like, Yeah, Iwas really ready to jump his bones.
Rosalinda Mendez:I know, but she's the after, like, things that kind of...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:*interjects* after a month of faking her period.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah. After that. Some people have long periods.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Thank God for male ineptitude.
Rosalinda Mendez:Are ya still on it?
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. Didn't you know it lasts three months.
Rosalinda Mendez:But like, you have to go sit in a hut I know. Thank you, US sex education. somewhere. So, but yeah, I mean, but the thing is that she said that once she got to know him, she was like, super excited. Like, it was like she couldn't have felt like, she had a better partner. And she was like, Oh, my, my grandma....
Sara Van Tuerenhout:*interjects* Convenient?
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, my grandma picked the... Well, maybe, I guess.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:See, yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:...Pick the perfect guy. But then she said once Robert, Jr. came in the picture, they were done.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Well, that's like a normal marriage story, right? I mean, like you, you're like, all in love, and then you have a kid and then your relationship shifts. I mean, not that it's different..
Rosalinda Mendez:Well it does shift. It just the way that she said it sounded like, okay, then it was over. I mean, there's a thing where, yes, your your relationship changes. But again, you know, you have to work on keeping your original relationship...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:*interjects* The romance alive?
Rosalinda Mendez:Well the romance alive, but also just to keep your original relationship because you want it you don't want to lose the friendship either.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:No.
Rosalinda Mendez:It just sounds like now he's just a person she lives with.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, kinda. I mean, they act that way too.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah. So and she literally has him whipped.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Oh God, Yeah. But again, though, again, back to the gossip column. But they were saying too how apparently they both left the church for three years, and that Mary got a surgery and had to raise like 100 plus thousand dollars for her surgery, but when she came back to the church, Her skin was lighter and she was blonde and she looked completely different. But like they raise money through the church under the guise that she had some like, you know, really horrible disease and needed the surgery to survive and that nobody else in the church can be blonde because that's a sin. But she's blonde. But I don't I mean, I don't know if this is true again.
Rosalinda Mendez:I mean, this could also just be you know, mother hatred, slander so...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:That's true. Take all of this with a grain of salt.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, we shouldn't go too far into the what the..., with the blogs, as Porsha would say. What's...what's in the blogs.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:But they really are interesting to look at.
Rosalinda Mendez:They are, but you know, we'll just we'll leave it at that that, you know, again, she had to marry her step grandpa
Sara Van Tuerenhout:At 22 years old.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah. Which is crazy, and so but then, you know, during that dinner it's...it's kind of nice because basically Meredith and I mean, Meredith reaches out to her and she reaches out to Meredith about what her dad's what Whitney's. I'm sorry, Whitney. Bleh. What Whitney's dad is going through. See, now I got a blonde and....
Sara Van Tuerenhout:You're getting Meredith and Whitney confused.
Rosalinda Mendez:That's impossible. But anyway, yeah. Sorry, no, that Whitney, you know, Whitney, and you know, her dad in his, his drug addiction.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. So like, before, and I think last episode, Mary invites Whitney's dad, Steve, to come to the church, you know, because he's looking for, you know, a safe landing, you know, to reconnect with God, and so during this dinner with Meredith, she was kind of like Meredith was wanting to get to know Mary better, because I don't think they really knew each other pre-filming, and so Mary offers to, you know, offers for Meredith to come visit the church while Whitney is coming with her dad and thought would be a good idea, and so then we shift to that, which was actually an interesting, you know, really nice moment. You see Mary in her element preaching to her church, which, again, it seems kind of small to be having the amount of money
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, you would think the the bank she she has, like... she's like, you know, kind of portraying out there is a little Joel Osteen like...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:Or some major...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:*interjects* Like arena.
Rosalinda Mendez:Pat Robertson kind of guy or one of these other mega church peoples, but this does not look like a mega church...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:It looks like a normal church.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Like, yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:And you know, again, I don't know very much about the Pentecostal religion, but you know, it looks like everybody there is really digging Mary, not pastor Mary, First Lady Mary. And she's doing she's doing her best, and then, you know, she kind of wraps it up at the end, and has everybody pray for her new for her friends.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:And Whitney's dad, because she didn't bother to learn his name.*laughs*
Rosalinda Mendez:But you know what? I mean she was heartfelt, and the whole church was heartfelt, and I think that whole thing overwhelmed him in a good way where he felt loved, and he felt what...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:...He needed.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, he got what he needed, and that was, I think, very unselfish and sweet of Mary to do.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:True.
Rosalinda Mendez:Um, and it would also, I mean, she just showed that she could actually help someone.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:She could care for another person.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, she can. So I mean, you know, it's...she's a complicated woman.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:She really is, andnd I'm excited to pull back her layers as we go through the season.
Rosalinda Mendez:She is like an onion.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:And the blog posts.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, exactly.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:But now we're kind of going, the nice moment from Mary's Church, but now we're at the infamous Heather's baby shower, like the white, I don't know, monstrosity is not the right word, but that was kind of a lot.
Rosalinda Mendez:I guess. I'm just trying, I'm trying to go back and like, you know, kind of scan my encyclopedic mind, in terms of all things, housewives, and it just seems like, there are many events, like in this housewives, they're like, there's not like, basically an episode so far. I mean, we're only at three. But there's like, there's a vow renewal, there's like a big party, there's now a baby shower.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:It's like they're trying to jam pack, like every single type of event possible in the first like, part of the season.
Rosalinda Mendez:I know, it's like mean for people under COVID.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I know. It's like, oh my God,
Rosalinda Mendez:My life is not this exciting.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:You're living my dream. Real ones will know that reference.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I don't know. It just seems contrived. I mean, I- where are the get togethers at the houses? Where are the lunches that go bad, or the lunches that you trash talk the other ladies at? Like, let me see some classic housewive scenes.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, where are people just browsing around shopping?
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. Oh my gosh, the shopping scenes like these women do not go shopping. Well, I want to talk about that later, but ugh, yes.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, no, it's, it is kind of interesting. So yeah, so they're at the baby shower and the you know, basically Heather's idea of you know, instead of giving someone diaper pails, she gives them Range Rovers. Tiny little Range Rovers for the kids to toddle around on.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:And she has this great idea about having everyone bring a baby picture.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, which actually is kinda cute.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, that is cute.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:But like, I love that the food they were serving was uncured meats or was it... No was it cured meats or whatever pregnant women can't eat....and alcohol. *laughs* It's kind of like she pulled a Jen Shah.
Rosalinda Mendez:Well but the thing is is like her thing is like, all these girls are LDS, so as long as I have some like punch and like some finger sandwiches, they're good.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I know, but then she had all these foods that like pregnant women should not be having.
Rosalinda Mendez:Again, she's not... yeah, I mean...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I'm just like, okay....
Rosalinda Mendez:This is for my...this is for my friends...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:This is for me, Whitney and Jen. The rest of y'all have fun with your little diaper games.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, exactly. Have a good time. But that I think they had the dads were there too, Right?
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah the dads were there.
Rosalinda Mendez:Which was really which was really odd at a baby shower, because usually babies showers are just women. So it was weird to have a couples shower.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:We love breaking down gender roles.
Rosalinda Mendez:There you go. A couples shower, now is like moved into the baby shower realm which maybe that's happened, but like, back in the day when I was you know, coming up, men weren't seen anywhere near a baby shower.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Was dad, not at the...no?
Rosalinda Mendez:Oh, actually dad was at your baby shower. That's because you showed up to your own baby shower cuz you were early.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I mean, I couldn't miss a party.
Rosalinda Mendez:Otherwise, he probably wouldn't have been there, but I needed help with the actual baby at my baby shower. There were no games I could play.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:You could play games on the baby.
Rosalinda Mendez:All those reindeer games already had started.*laughs*
Sara Van Tuerenhout:*laughs* But yeah, okay, back to the Heather's baby shower, not my own. Um, we have, you know, what I so lovingly called the clean slate squad of Jen, Whitney and Heather, and, you know, Whitney was talking about how she had invited Lisa to her 20s inspired party, and Jen was all about it. She was like, "Yeah, that's good. We need to move along as a group," and then she she was like, "Huh, rewind, like hold the phone. Like, is Mary invited to this 20s party?" And then Whitney was like, "Yeah, I like Mary, and I thought we're all good," and then Mary was like, or Jen was like, "What? No, no, we're not I'm not good," even though she already forgave her technically, at Meredith's party.
Rosalinda Mendez:Right. No. So because you knew the minute that she started doing the two fingers, like, I've got my eye on you, she was not zen Jen. She was not she just she was moving on. She was just going to get another cocktail somewhere.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:And, you know, she was probably just realizing, oh, I'm missing my opportunity to be fabulous out amongst my guests, and so I gotta like, wrap this up. So we will pretend to have a clean slate, but yeah, no, that's that was definitely something where it was like, whoa, okay, well, where did all the Kumbaya go?
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I know, and she was like, clean slate, dirty slate, B*** you're irrelevant, and it was just like about Mary.
Rosalinda Mendez:Right, and, but my thing is, is that if you are having a party, you should be able to invite whoever you'd like to invite.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, I know, it's Whitney's part, and like, Jen has no reason to be like, you can't do that even because it's for like everyone else's...Like from everyone else's perspective, this whole hospital mess is done. Like, like, Jen hugged Mary all as well. It's been six weeks, six weeks since that party, and then now it's still a thing like? Oh, how is this thing still alive?
Rosalinda Mendez:Right, right, right, right.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:This is just crazy.
Rosalinda Mendez:Like, yeah, you people need to really move along. So I think that, you know, in some ways, Whitney was trying just to move it along and just say, come on, let's all get together. It's MY party.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. Not a Jen Shah party.
Rosalinda Mendez:Right.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:It's a Whitney party.
Rosalinda Mendez:And my other thing is like Jen Shah if you've got such like, if you have such reservations about this, then just don't go....
Sara Van Tuerenhout:*interjects* Don't go. Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:It's like, there's really I mean, the thing is, is that it was almost nice of Whitney to give her the heads up.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:No, it was... Well, I mean, Jen did ask.
Rosalinda Mendez:No, I know, but I'm just saying the fact that Whitney didn't like, conceal it.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:Knowing that there might be a problem.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Also, though like too, shouldn't Jen know, these things, like, Mary's in the cast. Like, of course, she's gonna be at the party.
Rosalinda Mendez:I know, but she's, I- mean, she really is like, you're either with me or against me kinda thing.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. Because like when Whitney was talking about Mary, she was she was talking about her dad and how her experience at the church was so great. She let it slip that Meredith was at the church too. Which like, just set off Jen again.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, I know, again, it was like, Meredith is not your puppet. Like literally, she is your friend, but she has an independent life. And...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Exactly.
Rosalinda Mendez:...if she wants to go for spiritual reasons, or for friendship reasons, or just to be polite, because somebody invited me to something, then that's none of Jen Shah's frickin business.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I know and again, she's like, this is a personal attack like Meredith, like, calculated how to hurt me the most J[en me is Jen] in like, so I'm going to go to Mary's Church because I know that would be like a stab in the back to Jen. Which is just like again, the whole world does not revolve around you, Jen Shah. She went because Mary is a new friend and she invited her, and it's like, it's not that big of a deal. It was like 45 minutes of her life.
Rosalinda Mendez:Again, you've committed to a reality show. You probably want to have some like, filming time. You also want to like, get to know who it is these women are that you're interacting with.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Who you're supposed to be friends with.
Rosalinda Mendez:Who you're supposed to be friends with and like, yeah, just let it be Jen. Like the whole world, yeah, does not revolve around you. I know, you think you're a queen bee and MVP but...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Oh, God. Yeah,
Rosalinda Mendez:But literally...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:*interjects* She's not holding the star snowflake.
Rosalinda Mendez:This- I know she isn't.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Heather is.
Rosalinda Mendez:Heather's got the the snowflake. So yeah. The the center snowflake which we know from all Bravo housewives thing.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:She's the queen bee. But yeah, but then like, so Heather, being the mediator she is was kind of being like, oh, well. Meredith is just being like Switzerland. Which again, from previous housewives franchises we know will always bite you in the butt, and Jen was like, "oh, well, if you're Switzerland, you're not a real friend." It's just like, are we in middle school? Like, honestly, when I was in middle school, it wasn't even like this. Like this is just, I don't even know.
Rosalinda Mendez:I know. I mean, my thing is, is that yeah, I mean, again, it's like I said, for Jen, it's like, you're either with me or against me. She is like, very much like, this is about me. I don't care about you and your agency or your thoughts or your feelings...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:...it- unless it's about how they will affect me.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, it's like, God forbid someone has a relationship outside of your relationship.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, I just I don't I-- and the thing. I mean, the thing that's even more petty to me was this is about going to church. I mean, what if you know, Meredith just needed a little religion? What if she just needed someplace to have solace? What if I mean, what if, literally, she's searching for something? You're going to stop someone from like having any, like, ability to do something outside the realm to better themselves?
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. I mean, Jen did not know Meredith's reasoning for going to Mary's Church, but like, I don't know. I mean, she gives a pass to Whitney, because honestly, there's really no reason she shouldn't give a pass to Whitney. Because...
Rosalinda Mendez:Whitney's trying to help her dad.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Exactly, well she's like, that's fine. But Meredith has no reason to go to a church, and it's just like, Mary's was just being nice.
Rosalinda Mendez:Right.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:So, yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:Well, and you know, Meredith is going through a divorce. Yeah. Or no, sorry, separation.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Separation.
Rosalinda Mendez:And so...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:*interjects* She is practicing Jewish.
Rosalinda Mendez:I know she's a practicing Jew, but you can find I know. It's just whether they're really like marking the religion in so many ways. I mean, I think when you're really at a point where you're very sad and confused, and whatever, and maybe the things that, you know, that are familiar aren't giving you solace. Like, sometimes you go out looking for I mean, you know, some people Eat, Pray Love, like, literally, like, lines, and like picking teams, and that's just where we're at. people go out looking for different things that, you know, fulfill them, and maybe she was like, hey, I'll get to know Mary, and it's kind of a spiritual thing, and I would like to get out of my head, and maybe this would be interesting. I know, this is like, Mean Girls, but on a weird, silly I mean, I mean, I'm not saying it's that deep, but I'm just saying it could be, and if that's true, then maybe you would want your friend to find some solace. plane.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I know. Well, from that lovely baby shower, we go to the next event, because there's just not enough events in this show. We have Whitney's 20s party that's happening at this actually kind of cool prohibition bar. That's like, like, um....
Rosalinda Mendez:When you walk in it's like an antique shop.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:And then you I guess you give a password or something. Then they open up secret door.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:The wall opens up or something.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Mhmm, yeah, like the books, the bookshelf, which actually looked pretty cool, honestly, that I would want to check that out. But she has a 20s themed party, and you see the ladies getting ready, kind of. We see Lisa and Meredith getting ready at Lisa's house. And Lisa didn't have any 20s themed clothing. Which I just find it hard to believe because that cannot be the first 20s party she's gone to, miss Queen of Sundance
Rosalinda Mendez:And yeah, Queen of Sundance, you couldn't have like, I mean, you don't have like some kind of entre to costume shops or something in the area. I mean, you could go on you know, you could literally go online to Amazon and get yourself a flapper costume.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Exactly. Although they don't want to be basic bitches.
Rosalinda Mendez:I know, they're not going to be basic bitches.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:But like...
Rosalinda Mendez:*interjects* But my my favorite thing is like when we're talking about Jen right, she's like, has this whole persona mapped out.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:So you have the two extremes. You have like, I don't know I do. 70s better or something like that, to like a...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:*interjects* Hollywood madam.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, I'm going to be a madam in like, you know, a Hollywood madam from the 20s. I'm like...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:...okay, that's super specific, and then she comes out looking like something from the Cotton Club and I was just like...which is okay, not not trying to pull any punches there, but maybe you should get your era's right.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I just, I find it ridiculous - again, I think we're just spoiled by the other franchises - but like all the women, when they have a themed party, they go shopping. You have the shopping scenes, you see them getting like, their outfits together, getting on point, you know, but these people like just looking in their closet. Like, I mean, even us commoners, you know, we go out Amazon, Nordstroms, whatever, try to get on theme. But they couldn't even be bothered.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, it was crazy. I mean, I thought that was just a really, that was just, I don't know, it was kind of sloppy, in some ways.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. So we get to the party, and Meredith clearly did not read the party invite because...I think she got inspired by Lisa's closet and kind of went 70s theme and then had like a black and white necklace and was like this is 20s with bell bottom jeans, like bell bottoms, whatever, pants. It was just like, I mean, I love you, Meredith, but come on.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah. You just gave up there.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, clearly. But then at this party as well, Whitney had enlisted some strippers, I guess you could say, you know, dancing and things. It gave me like very Moulin Rouge lite, you know, like Walmart version...
Rosalinda Mendez:*interjects* A bunch of himbos.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:But like Lisa was really against it. She was like I bring I like "they're bringing me the depression and I'm bringing the class" or something like that, and it's just like, I feel like when I think of the 20s I think flapper girls, liquor, sex, great times.
Rosalinda Mendez:Men in tuxedos.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:Very Gatsby. Like I would I don't think of yeah I don't think of guys not wearing shirts, like kind of semi stripping, which is fine.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I guess, yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:I mean, so my thing is like, okay, but there's decadence. I get that. I mean, maybe it's the 20s after party that she was going for, as opposed to like, you know, the Cotton Club with you know, whatever. The Plaza.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Well, yeah, yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:So, but yeah, it was good. I mean, and there were like, were there poles in there, too?
Sara Van Tuerenhout:No, it was like, those like rings, like those uh....
Rosalinda Mendez:yeah, like they were contortionists?
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Circuis rings. Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, yeah.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Which actually, felt kind of 20s to me.
Rosalinda Mendez:No, it did. I mean, I thought it was I thought it was it was it was splashy. It was over the top.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:I mean, it was a low key Jen Shah party.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. I mean, I will say for housewives parties, it was pretty low-key.
Rosalinda Mendez:But nice. But nice.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:No, it was good. It was good.
Rosalinda Mendez:It was good. Yeah. So but my thing is, is that yes, I know it was it was very strange, because they just don't seem to be a cohesive bunch.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:No, they seem very much like a weird mishmash of people that just all happen to be doing the same show, and they definitely do have housewives personalities, but it's like, do they mesh?
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, I'm not sure they're ensemble.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:No, they're not. I mean, we have like a few pairings, like Meredith and Lisa actually do get along, and like Whitney and Heather are nice, but like, as a group together...Like usually, in other franchises, for at least a couple episodes, the whole group gets along. But like this one, we haven't seen a single episode where the whole group is, you know, vibing, chilling.
Rosalinda Mendez:You know if they don't get along, they at least can like be with each other.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. But it's definitely like...
Rosalinda Mendez:*interjects*They can be cordial.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:They can be cordial, yes, because they're ladies.
Rosalinda Mendez:Exactly.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:But as we kind of like end the episode, we see Jen finally show up to the party fashionably late, because the whole show IS about Jen, this is the Jen Shah show. But she sees Meredith talking to Mary, and that just like blows a gasket for her because she's like, "how can this be?" Like, I wanted to give Meredith a shot, but she is talking to Mary so I can't even give her a shot.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, and then they end up having this very, like, contentious. I mean, then like she storms off kind of and is anyway so she's, she's kind of she's just it's just it's not good. Like...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, I mean, it's leading up to an interesting next episode, because for the third episode, right, this is the third? Yeah. We have another two parter.
Rosalinda Mendez:That's right. A "to be continued."
Sara Van Tuerenhout:To be continued. I mean, we have two"to be continued" episodes from the start. I just this is... I mean, even like most seasons of Real Housewives, only have like one per season is "to be continued" or maybe two, but they're pretty interspersed. It's not back to back "to be continued."
Rosalinda Mendez:Right. Yeah. Yes, it is. It is very strange, and you know, it again proves though the entire, you know, milieu of the housewives is nobody needs a Switzerland because Meredith is in a lose-lose situation, and she doesn't even know it at sometimes that she's in it, because she's just trying to go about and live her life.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I know, she's like being an adult.
Rosalinda Mendez:And she's just like just doing the things that you would do, like, going to church with your friend, you know, or trying to...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:*interjects talking to a friend
Rosalinda Mendez:...or just trying to get to know someone or sitting next to somebody while they're, you know, getting their, getting their food, or picking up a drink, or like sitting at a table. You're doing something wrong and you're markedly doing it to hurt Jen Shah.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, like that's your only reason for being like...
Rosalinda Mendez:Like, the hive mind is just to serve Jen Shah.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I mean, I wish I had the self centeredness sometimes of Jen Shah. Like, that is some self confidence there.
Rosalinda Mendez:I know. I mean, it's like it must be amazing to wake up and be the center of the universe every single day of your life.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I just I can't even imagine like, oh, yeah, every single person's actions are a direct assault on me.
Rosalinda Mendez:Well, and then the other thing was, is that you know, because like literally when she was getting ready, her entire glam squad all sat there and just told her how amazing she was.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah. oh, and then I love how she said, If you didn't say I looked amazing, I would have fired anyway. It was like, oh, my gosh...I know it was a joke, but it was still like, okay...
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah, I'm like, and then you know, I just, it's just, it's just like, almost beyond belief that here's this woman who must be in her[I'm gonna like offender I know] in her 40s I think because like Whitney's the youngest one.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Whitney's the youngest. I mean, I think she's probably late 30s, early 40s.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah. But like so here you are as a as this acomp-. I mean, accomplished. I mean, you have eight you have eight assistants.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:We don't know what she does.
Rosalinda Mendez:I know but she must have accomplished something if you have eight assistants. But literally, and you know, this is the minutia you like, tend to like...I mean that my thing is like you want to live and die on this hill? For what? Because someone's having a conversation with somebody you don't tend to like but you, you've outwardly told everybody that you've moved on.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, you've forgiven her.
Rosalinda Mendez:Right. So I don't even understand how all these women are supposed to know how to behave. Because what you're saying to them is like,"we're good, we're good. I'm squashing the beef. I'm gonna hug her." Because she did hug her in that like weird little dressing room area, whatever, and she said, "okay, we're done," and then like, you know, in her confessional, she was like doing the I see you thing.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah, I mean, I think she's like, there has to be something more to this. Because otherwise, I mean, she needs like to reevaluate herself.
Rosalinda Mendez:I don't...that's the thing. I just really don't understand, like how these other women are supposed to know how to behave.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I mean, yeah, you have to like, constantly walk on eggshells. Like, am I gonna offend Jen Shah now? I don't know.
Rosalinda Mendez:Right. I mean, I think that that again, I mean, that's her whole queen bee attitude.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Here MVP, Queen Bee. Yeah, but... I mean, aside from like, Ramona Singer, like anybody else who's that self involved.. I mean, I mean, come on, Luann is pretty self-involved.
Rosalinda Mendez:Well, She is... Oh God. Yeah, you're right. Yeah.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:The Countess.
Rosalinda Mendez:The Countess, and Ramona.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:I mean Ramona who makes everybody give her $5 to get a bag *laughs* ...or$100.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:She crowdfunded her birthday present from 60 of her closest girlfriends. That she talks to four to five times a week.*laughs* I can barely manage to talk to like three people a week. Like in that's pushing it. That's a good social week.
Rosalinda Mendez:Right? I mean, this is who she should aspire to be.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I know.
Rosalinda Mendez:But yeah, no, I just I just, I guess the thing is, is that I'm also really impressed. Again, I think we're talking about pretty much Mormon gold that like, even though it's kind of not as glamorous as Beverly Hills or New York, but they are splashing out some cash for the things that they're doing. I mean, they're just kind of....
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:....out there. Although, yeah, I mean, it's like the Met Gala or somebody who's really great 18th birthday party. *laughs*
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Hard to say.
Rosalinda Mendez:Or it's like, yeah, like New York and and you know, New York and Beverly Hills, they're like, the the thing...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:I mean, they literally rent out a whole clubs.
Rosalinda Mendez:Right. Whereas, Salt Lake City. It's like somebody's great 18th or 21st birthday party.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:Way to go. I Got some strippers. Some contortionists and I've got a theme.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yep. Good job.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah. All good.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Mission accomplished.
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah. So, but yeah, so that was yet another like, and again, like you said, this is gonna move on. We are not done, so. Our next episode, we will be...
Sara Van Tuerenhout:*interjects unpacking the rest of this 20s party
Rosalinda Mendez:...the meat of the 20s party.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Oh boy. Yeah, I'm excited to see where this goes. I can't. I can only imagine what Jen Shah is gonna do.
Rosalinda Mendez:I'm kind of wishing Al Capone would come in and just shoot the whole place up.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Because there's not enough going on. But yeah, that's our episode. Thank you so much for watching. If you wouldn't mind leaving us a review, rating us, subscribing. That would be awesome. We'd really appreciate it. Thanks for listening!
Rosalinda Mendez:Comment if you have any, you know, thoughts again about you know, what is a great 20s party? Do you have any 20s gear in your..
Sara Van Tuerenhout:in YOUR closet? Would YOU go shop for a theme?
Rosalinda Mendez:Yeah.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez:So we'll see you next time.
Sara Van Tuerenhout:Yep. See ya. Bye!